Comments on: OPINION PIECE - DOES GAMING HAVE A PLACE TO GO? /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/ We're not PlayStation but we sometimes get to speak to them Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:49:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Steven Jones /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-51179 Steven Jones Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:13:18 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-51179 Why should game makers pay a fee to portray real-life locations? You seem to be confusing the image of the location with the physical use of the location. When film-makers portray a location without going there (e.g., by building replica sets) they don't have to pay the RL locations a fee either. To demand a fee when the actual location is merely simulated rather than physically used is censorship. Why should game makers pay a fee to portray real-life locations? You seem to be confusing the image of the location with the physical use of the location. When film-makers portray a location without going there (e.g., by building replica sets) they don’t have to pay the RL locations a fee either. To demand a fee when the actual location is merely simulated rather than physically used is censorship.

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By: Kamesen /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26371 Kamesen Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:39:21 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26371 I just want to leave this link here. I think many people try to restrict what games can do and where they can go, but its ultimately up to developers to break those boundaries and produce great titles. Cheers. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/CofEChill/index.html I just want to leave this link here. I think many people try to restrict what games can do and where they can go, but its ultimately up to developers to break those boundaries and produce great titles. Cheers.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/CofEChill/index.html

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By: salavaster /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26266 salavaster Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:37:04 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26266 If 'no-one’s suggesting that the lack of a fee is the only difference between locations in games and those in films' then i will. Someone will always be complaining for the use of their stuff unless they are paid. If ‘no-one’s suggesting that the lack of a fee is the only difference between locations in games and those in films’ then i will. Someone will always be complaining for the use of their stuff unless they are paid.

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By: Coolwater /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26192 Coolwater Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:47:39 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26192 This all comes back to the debate about games as art. I think Sony has had the right ideas about this since the beginning. They consider what they do as Computer Entertainment. It should looked upon as any other form of entertainment, whether it be movies or music. It's all creative expression. As much as they complain they cant take our rights away from us. They will never win. This all comes back to the debate about games as art.

I think Sony has had the right ideas about this since the beginning. They consider what they do as Computer Entertainment. It should looked upon as any other form of entertainment, whether it be movies or music. It’s all creative expression. As much as they complain they cant take our rights away from us. They will never win.

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By: Apnomis /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26126 Apnomis Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:41:42 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26126 "Most people who complain about games aren’t familiar with them, they see them as an alien form of culture that they don’t get." That hit the nail on the head. Take Manchester Cathedral, there is no legal obligation seek permission to use the location under UK law as it's a) a public landmark and b) 850 years old so more than the required time after the architect's death to expire the copyright. If this were a film this wouldn't have been an issue, take the old version of War of the Worlds where people take refuge in a church from the aliens as they fire at it, no one batted an eyelid at that and that was in a much more conservative time. Ask a generation that doesn't understand video games what they are like and they will sight examples of GTA and violent crime. Like recently when a nurse was stabbed 70 times by someone who is clearly disturbed, but the headline was something along the lines of "Murdered by loner obsessed with the Internet and Violent Video Games", as if to imply his mental heath had nothing to do with it, and it was playing video games that made him stab someone 70 times. I've played violent video games for nearly 15 years, and I've never thought about killing anyone! To hear people talk about this level of Resistance, people who have never even seen or played the game, you would think what actually happened was a man with a machine gun walked into the cathedral during Sunday service and gunned down all the women and children and threw a grenade at a crucifix! What actually happens is troops that have been fighting in a War seek refuge from the enemy in a cathedral that was being used as a make-shift hospital, as it no doubt was during WWII, only to find the enemy was there to ambush them. From what I recall when I played the game, the interior was very generic anyway with pews and pillars, it's not as if you had to blow the head of a statue of Mary to proceed to the next part of the level or anything! It's an ignorance towards the media that causes these problems, a WWII movie with Germans hiding in the Cathedral wouldn't have caused as much (if any) uproar, and in many ways that would be worse as that's killing human beings in the church, not alien insects as was the case with Resistance. Sooner or later though the gamers of today will be the Bishop's and Prime Minister's of tomorrow (example, anyone heard of the Black Hat Lama aka the Funky Buddha?), and when that is the case games will be no more controversial than a TV show or film. Do you know any game hater's under the age of 25? I don't, Jack Thompson, Hilary Clinton, Church of England officials, I bet none of them have ever held a controller in their lives, they are content on imposing their views on a media they are completely ignorant of... “Most people who complain about games aren’t familiar with them, they see them as an alien form of culture that they don’t get.”

That hit the nail on the head. Take Manchester Cathedral, there is no legal obligation seek permission to use the location under UK law as it’s a) a public landmark and b) 850 years old so more than the required time after the architect’s death to expire the copyright. If this were a film this wouldn’t have been an issue, take the old version of War of the Worlds where people take refuge in a church from the aliens as they fire at it, no one batted an eyelid at that and that was in a much more conservative time.

Ask a generation that doesn’t understand video games what they are like and they will sight examples of GTA and violent crime. Like recently when a nurse was stabbed 70 times by someone who is clearly disturbed, but the headline was something along the lines of “Murdered by loner obsessed with the Internet and Violent Video Games”, as if to imply his mental heath had nothing to do with it, and it was playing video games that made him stab someone 70 times. I’ve played violent video games for nearly 15 years, and I’ve never thought about killing anyone!

To hear people talk about this level of Resistance, people who have never even seen or played the game, you would think what actually happened was a man with a machine gun walked into the cathedral during Sunday service and gunned down all the women and children and threw a grenade at a crucifix! What actually happens is troops that have been fighting in a War seek refuge from the enemy in a cathedral that was being used as a make-shift hospital, as it no doubt was during WWII, only to find the enemy was there to ambush them. From what I recall when I played the game, the interior was very generic anyway with pews and pillars, it’s not as if you had to blow the head of a statue of Mary to proceed to the next part of the level or anything!

It’s an ignorance towards the media that causes these problems, a WWII movie with Germans hiding in the Cathedral wouldn’t have caused as much (if any) uproar, and in many ways that would be worse as that’s killing human beings in the church, not alien insects as was the case with Resistance.

Sooner or later though the gamers of today will be the Bishop’s and Prime Minister’s of tomorrow (example, anyone heard of the Black Hat Lama aka the Funky Buddha?), and when that is the case games will be no more controversial than a TV show or film. Do you know any game hater’s under the age of 25? I don’t, Jack Thompson, Hilary Clinton, Church of England officials, I bet none of them have ever held a controller in their lives, they are content on imposing their views on a media they are completely ignorant of…

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By: Richard /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26125 Richard Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:33:33 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26125 I'd like to think that the gaming community can be grown up enough about this to find a solution, and if this means getting the appropriate permits to use locations then so be it. Although I don't think it should be the same amount as what the film industry pays as I doubt games need to shut down high streets etc. Getting permission to use a location is a good idea. Perhaps this would lead to certain locations having HD photo packs and schematics that games companies can just lease from the authorities? Might make game modelling easier, more accurate, more detailed, etc. Games companies pay for licenses for football players and film stars, etc already anyway, so location licenses make sense too. I’d like to think that the gaming community can be grown up enough about this to find a solution, and if this means getting the appropriate permits to use locations then so be it. Although I don’t think it should be the same amount as what the film industry pays as I doubt games need to shut down high streets etc. Getting permission to use a location is a good idea.

Perhaps this would lead to certain locations having HD photo packs and schematics that games companies can just lease from the authorities? Might make game modelling easier, more accurate, more detailed, etc.

Games companies pay for licenses for football players and film stars, etc already anyway, so location licenses make sense too.

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By: Cape /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26124 Cape Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:18:27 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26124 Reminds me of that film, Foot Loose, where the kids aren't allowed to dance, because the adults think it's a sign of Satan or something, and try and stop them doing anything exciting at all, other than religious stuff, even though the Parents had some form of Dancing when they were kids. This is what these games are. It's our generation that is being penalised for a small percentage of the Adults of our Parents generation who don't understand what these games are all about, and the fact that Games just don't make people violent. If they did, there would probably be close to 2 million or more mass murderers across the globe, because the amount of people who play online so called violent games(I mean, R-FoM isn't exactly Ultra Violent is it??) must be mass murderers. Come on, are these people really that thick? I think it's coming down to money and these people who are complaining are seeking funds because they know how much these games are making. The gaming world is the New Hollywood and is gaining in size each year, where as Hollywood is slowing up or decreasing because of the crap they are producing lately. Also, what happens when they get there funds after seeing what these games are all about, if there is any uproar by the parents of kids who have been killed, what happens then?? Those people who run government offices in the locations being portrayed, got there money. Does that mean they are going to foot the bill if the parents sue the Games company. No. The games company will be sued. In which case, why should they pay the official people anything?? Again, it's the few who complain, that are ruining it for the masses. Sorry, but why do we have to keep listening to just a small portion of people that ruin everything, because of there lack of understanding or vision into what it's all about. Reminds me of that film, Foot Loose, where the kids aren’t allowed to dance, because the adults think it’s a sign of Satan or something, and try and stop them doing anything exciting at all, other than religious stuff, even though the Parents had some form of Dancing when they were kids.

This is what these games are. It’s our generation that is being penalised for a small percentage of the Adults of our Parents generation who don’t understand what these games are all about, and the fact that Games just don’t make people violent.

If they did, there would probably be close to 2 million or more mass murderers across the globe, because the amount of people who play online so called violent games(I mean, R-FoM isn’t exactly Ultra Violent is it??) must be mass murderers.
Come on, are these people really that thick?

I think it’s coming down to money and these people who are complaining are seeking funds because they know how much these games are making. The gaming world is the New Hollywood and is gaining in size each year, where as Hollywood is slowing up or decreasing because of the crap they are producing lately.
Also, what happens when they get there funds after seeing what these games are all about, if there is any uproar by the parents of kids who have been killed, what happens then??

Those people who run government offices in the locations being portrayed, got there money. Does that mean they are going to foot the bill if the parents sue the Games company. No. The games company will be sued.
In which case, why should they pay the official people anything??

Again, it’s the few who complain, that are ruining it for the masses. Sorry, but why do we have to keep listening to just a small portion of people that ruin everything, because of there lack of understanding or vision into what it’s all about.

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By: Ben /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26088 Ben Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:08:26 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26088 The only reasonable solution to these types of disputes is for the game creators to tell the complainers that their input will be disregarded. It's time for innocent people like gamers and game companies to stop letting themselves be pushed around by a bunch of windbags. The only reasonable solution to these types of disputes is for the game creators to tell the complainers that their input will be disregarded.

It’s time for innocent people like gamers and game companies to stop letting themselves be pushed around by a bunch of windbags.

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By: nmc75 /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26066 nmc75 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:54:16 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26066 Seems folks are afraid of the unproven link of violence and video game playing. So "just to be safe", they don't want their landmarks, cities and schools to be depicted in such. However, show me some proof that actually shows the link between millions of folks everyday who play violent games leading to a more violent society. They have none. It's all just another way to lay blame for societal ills. Seems folks are afraid of the unproven link of violence and video game playing. So “just to be safe”, they don’t want their landmarks, cities and schools to be depicted in such. However, show me some proof that actually shows the link between millions of folks everyday who play violent games leading to a more violent society. They have none. It’s all just another way to lay blame for societal ills.

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By: Bob /blog/2007/06/opinion-piece-does-gaming-have-a-place-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-26058 Bob Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:53:55 +0000 /blog/?p=435#comment-26058 To comment on the '4' in your numbered list: That's just about the dumbest thing I've heard all week. I can't believe that kid can't graduate from high school because he made a model of his school for a game. Doing that shows no evidence that the kid is going to shoot up the school at all. Scared people are the scariest things on earth, I swear. People need to get educated. Gaming needs some respected lobbies on K-Street or something, because this stuff is getting ridiculous. To comment on the ‘4′ in your numbered list:

That’s just about the dumbest thing I’ve heard all week. I can’t believe that kid can’t graduate from high school because he made a model of his school for a game. Doing that shows no evidence that the kid is going to shoot up the school at all. Scared people are the scariest things on earth, I swear.

People need to get educated. Gaming needs some respected lobbies on K-Street or something, because this stuff is getting ridiculous.

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